Thoughts around the web about our ole Uncle Karl:
- Bull Moose: “But Karl, you have performed a great service for the nation and for the party - the Democratic Party, that is. With your comments, you have brought together old Democrats, new Democrats, liberal Democrats, moderate Democrats, conservative Democrats, fat Democrats, thin Democrats, Christian Democrats, Jewish Democrats, Muslim Democrats, Pagan Democrats, Dennis Kucinich Democrats, Joe Lieberman Democrats, meat eating Democrats, vegetarian Democrats, Daily Kos Democrats, Bull Moose Democrats, New Donkey Democrats, Atrios Democrats, MoveOn Democrats and DLC Democrats.”
- Thoughts of An Average Woman: “Once again, the White House and the puppet master just don’t get it. We were lied to by this crew — you know there is a good possibility of high crimes and misdemeanors attached to the actions leading up to the actual war in Iraq. “
- Party of the Purple: “I’m thinking that things are getting really, really bad for the Bushies or Neocons or whatever the hell they should be called (CRIMINAL comes to mind). I did a little review of some of the news developments of only the past week and it adds up to a fairly staggering combination of punches.”
- The Moderate Voice: “TMV was WRONG about Bush. He predicted that even if Bush won, there was a basic center and consensus in American politics and Bush would be work within it and with the Democrats. Instead, as Bull Moose points out, we are now living through the most divisive Presidental administration in American history — NOT divisive just because there is a controversial war, but because its top political officials and the top apparatus of today’s GOP have made a POLITICAL CHOICE to label those who oppose it soft on terrorism and eager to see American soldiers be butchered in the field.”
- Washington Monthly: “It’s one thing to make belligerent pronouncements that contrast conservative toughness with liberal wimpiness. It’s nasty and demeaning, but hardly something we haven’t heard before. The Al Jazeera passage, on the other hand, goes considerably further: it says specifically that the motive of Dick Durbin and others who criticize prisoner abuse is to put our troops in danger. He didn’t say Durbin was merely careless, he said Durbin wanted to put our troops in greater danger. That’s treason.”
- White House Briefing: “Rove’s new comments come on the heels of an interview with David Gregory on MSNBC on Tuesday, in which Rove provided indications that Bush’s new PR blitz to regain support for the war in Iraq may include the implication that criticizing Bush’s plan is tantamount to supporting the insurgency.”
- Americablog: “It IS really worth spending time on. Take it from an ex-marine. If someone hits you, you got to hit back harder. If you don’t, you look like a wimp and nobody likes wimps (on the right or the left). Tom is right. Having “balls” doesn’t necessarily mean coninuing to ask for Rove’s apology but instead turn it into our favor by stating at a time of war Bush (who is the commander and chief)should be trying to unite the country not diving the country.”
- Digby: “He is just someone who has no limits. And he has a client and a party that are willing to do as he advises. That is a powerful thing, but it is not genius. It is useful in elections, but it is a disaster in governance, as we are seeing. Brute force cannot accomplish every task, as any plumber or mechanic can tell you.”
- MyDD (quoting Kristen Breitweiser): “More to the point, Karl when you say, “Conservatives saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and prepared for war,” what exactly did you do to prepare for your war?”
- Billmon: “But I actually think Rove’s rant should be seen as a somewhat encouraging sign. Rove and his idiot chorus aren’t roaring at the top of their lungs to try to drown out the liberals — that would be absurd overkill, given how effectively the corporate media has ridiculed and/or demonized the likes of Howard Dean and Dick Durbin. No, Rove’s hate rally is aimed squarely at suppressing the growing doubts of the great silent majority — and even, to a certain extent, those of the conservative true believers, some of whom are showing ominous signs of war weariness. “
I think Kevin Drum is right about the important passage (though it is also important to point out that the “understanding and therapy” passage is a blatant lie). It’s one thing to call people wimps, but calling them traitors is qualitatively different. Traitors are normally hanged, or put in front of firing squads, and for someone in the White House to be saying that sort of thing is a big deal.
Also, a lot of the media coverage (as usual, following the lead of the right wing) is trying to draw a parallel with remarks by Howard Dean. First, I have no idea what remarks they think Dean has made that are in any way comparable to Rove’s despicable slander. Second, Karl Rove is a White House official, and thus is supposed to at least pretend to represent the country as a whole. My tax money is paying him, and he’s calling me a traitor. Republicans aren’t being forced to pay for Dean to insult them. People like me are voluntarily paying Dean to insult Republicans for us.
—Keith • 3:15 pm
“Karl Rove is a White House official, and thus is supposed to at least pretend to represent the country as a whole.”
And to the extent that Bush refuses to even downplay Rove’s remarks, he ceases to represent the country. It’s more accurate to say that he’s the Commander-in-Chief of the Republican party.
—AltHippo • 3:39 pm
From Santorum’s communications director:
I certainly don’t believe that Santorum really objects to Rove’s statement, considering the many outrageous things he himself has said, so that’s an interesting indication of how precarious he feels his position is in Pennsylvania.
—Keith • 7:40 pm